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If you have followed our blog for a while, especially if you have contributed comments, you know that we don't moderate comments - we allow them unless they are profane, spammy or otherwise generally offensive. We encourage different points of view and disagreement with our positions. I think this is the best policy for any blog. The whole idea is that blogging promotes an exchange of ideas and encourages discourse. That's why it shocked me that my comment to a pretty one-sided blog post about HubSpot's new email client software was apparently censored.

censoring reasonable blog comments is a bad idea

To put things in perspective, this week HubSpot launched its new email marketing software. Yesterday, a competitor published a blog post denouncing HubSpot on the basis of hypocrisy - that email marketing is an outbound "push" tactic and goes against HubSpot's inbound marketing strategies. You can read the entire post here and decide for yourself. My comment was neither inflammatory nor critical of the host's software. I simply defended HubSpot's decision to develop its own email marketing software on the following basis:

  1. Email marketing to an opted-in list of leads is somewhere in between extremes of inbound and outbound marketing. HubSpot goes to great lengths to honor unsubscribes and remove hard "bounces" in the software.
  2. HubSpot does not promote or encourage email "blasts" to an unsubscribed list - in fact they discourage this tactic.
  3. Every professional marketer includes email in his/her arsenal of tactics for nurturing leads, staying in touch and announcing new capabilities - this is what their subscribers sign up for. They can always opt out if they feel so inclined.
  4. HubSpot's competitive edge is the integration of marketing tools across the entire internet marketing spectrum, so it's natural (and convenient) to include email in this suite.
  5. Although we advocate inbound marketing, we don't exclude outbound - in fact we encourage it when it makes sense and can contribute effectively to marketing ROI. Last time I checked, HubSpot feels the same way. It's the indiscriminate use of outbound tactics that no longer serves any of us well.

I felt that the blog post author was biased and unfair in his evaluation of HubSpot's announcement and move into email marketing as a clear violation of its inbound marketing mantra. The author asserts, "For the record, I have always found Hubspot’s position to be a bit disingenuous. For a long time now, I have been getting a daily email from them about some thing or the other. How is that not interruption marketing?" He even brings politics into the mix saying, "...this feels a lot like Mitt Romney explaining why ObamaCare is bad and the essentially identical RomneyCare is good." Well, I have to say, if you really object to reading HubSpot's blogs, then feel free to unsubscribe. But maybe you should read them before you start putting HubSpot into an inbound-only box. They don't say that.

That's why I made my comment in good faith, in order to present the other side of the argument - that HubSpot is doing something sensible, something that we marketers have demanded, and something that makes them more competitive with other marketing automation companies. The fact that the author and/or editor decided to suppress my comment goes against the entire fabric of transparency and open discussion. I even tweeted to the company's Twitter account to set my comment free - to no avail.

Look, I'll admit, we do have a dog in this fight. We're a HubSpot Partner Agency, and proud of it. We have developed this relationship because we feel that their software is the best solution for integrated online marketing. We don't exclude other solutions - in fact we embrace them, but we will defend a friend when they're attacked by a competitor without a solid case in fact. The fact that my comment was censored is the shocker here.

What are you guys thinking?

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Comments

Great observation about having the freedom to unsubscribe. If Hubspot found a need not being served, then Kudos for them to filling that need. The complaining party sounds like he or she has tight shorts and doesn't understand we all share the same competitor - the status quo. Thanks for sharing. 
 
Leanne Hoagland-Smith 
P.S. I also allow all comments on my blog both in agreement and disagreement provided the comments are respectful. I realize there is value in we agree to disagree.
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 8:22 AM by Leanne Hoagland-Smith
Leanne, 
 
Thanks for your comments. I think people also forget that comments stimulate more conversation, more traffic, better SEO and even sales leads. Putting up an "awaiting moderation" message makes me feel like I just wasted my time commenting.
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:04 AM by John McTigue
John, 
I read the blog post from Acton. First, I'm surprised that a competitor would take such an aggressive stance. It reminds me of the cliche "if you're going to throw a punch, you better be prepared to get punched back." In this case, Rahgu is using digital tools to mitigate a punch by deleting your comment. And, your comment was probably not a "punch" but rather a well written counter point of view.  
 
The only comment I see on Raghy's post (at the time of this writing) is someone who agrees with him. As you point, that's not what blogging is about. Imagine if news talk shows only allowed one perspective on an issue? Blogging is a form of journalism and all sides of an argument should be permitted. 
 
I wonder if Raghu represents Acton management's position or if he is a lone blogger who doesn't understand business blogging etiquette? 
 
Bernie
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:38 AM by Bernie Borges
John - I agree 100% with you. After reading your blog and the one you're referencing, it appears that this individual doesn't really understand much about Hubspot. He may even be mad that Hubspot has done such a phenomenal job with their own marketing and with the software they created. It is surprising that comments presenting other viewpoints aren't supposedly being allowed. It's tough for some people to admit that they're wrong. You're case very rationally pointed out his viewpoint is incorrect. What's even more surprising to me is that this individual is the CEO of a marketing software company...with an attitude that is opposite of one necessary for marketing greatness. 
 
Hubspot's new email marketing software upgrade is a much needed compliment to their already well integrated marketing software. This software company CEO should know that part of being a good SAAS means that you're constantly looking for ways to improve in order to provide more value to your customers. And, if I were him, I'd be thrilled that Hubspot's created this niche marketplace for this type of marketing software...which allows for other SAAS companies to benefit from if they position themselves well...but certainly not with that attitude. 
 
@chrissnesbitt
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 9:39 AM by Chris Nesbitt
Great post Chris, HubSpot are on the right track improving their email marketing software. Who really cares if they postion themselves and inbound marketeers.  
 
Their clients don't really care as long they get an ROI from HubSpot and no doubt many of them use outbound marketing as well. 
 
We use Hubspot and we are very pleased with the results, we also help people with outbound marketing as well.  
 
Regards 
 
Mark  
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 10:01 AM by Mark Wheatley
Bernie, 
 
Thanks for chiming in. I wondered that about the author myself. In this business you are your reputation, and I would think fairness and transparency would be job #1. 
 
Chris, thanks for your perspectives as well - I agree that this is a misconception about inbound marketing, that it's designed to exclude all others - rather, it's an approach that should be added to your marketing strategy. 
 
Mark, this one's mine (John). My partner Chris is also very passionate about transparency and the democracy of content.
Posted @ Saturday, May 19, 2012 12:19 PM by John McTigue
Thanks for the article -- and for your ongoing support of HubSpot. 
 
A few things: 
 
1. We value transparency very, very highly at HubSpot (it's one of our core values).  
 
2. Though we have been strong proponents of inbound marketing, we have long disclosed that we use some outbound marketing ourselves. We just argue that for *most* businesses, the math on outbound marketing doesn't work and they should be trying to look for the optimum ratio of inbound and outbound (based on what actually delivers value) 
 
3. As you noted, we don't think email marketing is inherently bad. If you don't buy lists, let people unsubscribe and are focused on delivering value to subscribers, it's OK. 
 
Cheers, 
Dharmesh
Posted @ Sunday, May 20, 2012 9:22 PM by Dharmesh Shah
Dharmesh, 
 
You're very welcome. We support HubSpot because we believe in the same core values and your constant vigilance to maintain them. 
 
We also believe wholeheartedly that marketing is not a one-size-fits-all strategy, as you do. The right mix of consistent inbound, peppered by strategic injections of outbound is often the most successful approach for our clients. 
 
We look forward to working with the new email tools and will provide lots of feedback as we deploy them for our customers and ourselves. 
 
Best Regards, John
Posted @ Monday, May 21, 2012 6:28 AM by John McTigue
Strong agree. Act-On software in particular is pretty awful in this regard. They openly buy lists of marketers and then spam them repeatedly, and don't follow their own "best practices" for unsubscribes and spam complaints.  
 
I know this is true, because they are the only marketing automation provider that emails me, at least once a week, despite unsubscribing and filing spam complaints. I never opted in to any list - They clearly found or bought my address sometime in late April and started hammering me with email. Getting weekly emails for iPad raffle contests in exchange for becoming a full lead to them is cheap, uncreative marketing and tells me that nobody wants to start a trial on the software's merits alone. HubSpot wouldn't do that.
Posted @ Monday, May 21, 2012 9:46 AM by Brian Whalley
Also - I should add that they've promised to finally globally opt me out of their email marketing after I started complaining on Twitter about their marketing practices.
Posted @ Monday, May 21, 2012 9:46 AM by Brian Whalley
Brian, 
 
It's that kind of behavior that gives outbound marketing a bad name. Then to go a accuse someone (incorrectly) of that same bad practice, well that just kinda sucks frankly.
Posted @ Monday, May 21, 2012 10:05 AM by John McTigue
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